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I don't mind, but I hope you don't mind slow responses in return! I mentioned this in our most recent exchange and another perch, but no one has to admit, explain, or apologize for their identity as a Love and Deepspace player to me, haha. You do you and your actions and words will show what kind of person you are.

It's interesting hearing you go into detail about your biases, because while I can see certain traits being shared among them these traits don't seem to be shared equally. For example, Shen Xinghui and Ye Xuan are "equals" with their heroines, but that doesn't seem to be the case with Lu Chen and his heroine? Then Lu Chen and Shen Xinghui are self-sacrificial, but Ye Xuan doesn't seem to be that? I wonder if we can separate them further into something like the patient and calm group and the determined and compassionate group? Because I'm reminded of how my biases (if we expand it just a little) are polar opposites, like Bai Qi and Xu Mo, and then Osborn and Evan LOL.

Uh, I'm not sure how to explain Evan's mental activity other than to say that he thinks about everything, like the meaning of love, life, personhood, hatred, creation, destruction, lies, etc. He's never not dissecting the world and himself, which is probably what leads to his depression and nihilism honestly (big mood).

Unfortunately, Qin Che shares a lot of elements with Evan as well, like red eyes that glow brighter when they use their powers of energy manipulation and mind control, datura flowers, Charon (and Pluto) reference, vampire imagery, underground bosses (the Blood Clan has connections to the mafia), and if players get what they want for Qin Che with a fallen angel (and Christianity) theme then that also echoes Evan and the Blood Clan. QC and Charlie mains clash more often, but QC and Evan mains clashed hard in the first year and none of them have forgotten LOL.

I've heard gotten bitched at by Love and Deepspace players that SXH mains gravitate towards Osborn, but to be honest I heavily disagree with this grouping, haha. I can see where you're coming from with my descriptions, but the survival and ultimately upholding his principles is more about overcoming persecution from society. Osborn would be more like Qin Che in the sense of people considering them to be monsters and, if Osborn didn't learn to calm himself down, he could have become a school shooter (he had the urge to take revenge against the world). He was canonically given the deadly sin of wrath.

Osborn's respect for people's freedom of choice encompasses things we would normally view as bad too. For example, Osborn once had a performance race and, during the race, two racers from one team ganged up on him to block him and do risky passes. It was unfair because it went from being a one-on-one race to everyone targeting Osborn to create "suspense" and generate excitement and discussion because of Osborn's reputation as a 5-time champion getting his skills questioned by the media after a bad qualifying. The heroine was rightfully angry at these behind-the-scenes manipulations, but Osborn was completely neutral because he understood the business considerations behind this and would choose to do the same thing if he was them. So, as long as people aren't being directly killed or harmed, he acknowledges that everyone lives in their own way.

Lastly, as you said, I see SXH's freedom to be tied directly to the past restrictions he had as the crown prince, which is more like the freedom expressed by Bai Qi, Lu Jinghe, and Charlie. You feel their yearning and celebrate their freedom when they break free from what confines them. However, Osborn's freedom theme is the opposite where he has absolutely no ties to the world but "... it’s precisely because there’s nostalgia and attachments that a long journey becomes a trip. Otherwise it can only be called 'wandering'." Osborn intentionally exchanges some of his freedom to become connected to the world through attachments.

Haha, it's all good, I talk just as much LOL. You can chat with me in whatever way you feel comfortable with!

I don't mind, but I hope you don't mind slow responses in return! I mentioned this in our most recent exchange and another perch, but no one has to admit, explain, or apologize for their identity as a Love and Deepspace player to me, haha. You do you and your actions and words will show what kind of person you are.

It's interesting hearing you go into detail about your biases, because while I can see certain traits being shared among them these traits don't seem to be shared equally. For example, Shen Xinghui and Ye Xuan are "equals" with their heroines, but that doesn't seem to be the case with Lu Chen and his heroine? Then Lu Chen and Shen Xinghui are self-sacrificial, but Ye Xuan doesn't seem to be that? I wonder if we can separate them further into something like the patient and calm group and the determined and compassionate group? Because I'm reminded of how my biases (if we expand it just a little) are polar opposites, like Bai Qi and Xu Mo, and then Osborn and Evan LOL.

Uh, I'm not sure how to explain Evan's mental activity other than to say that he thinks about 

, like the meaning of love, life, personhood, hatred, creation, destruction, lies, etc. He's never not dissecting the world and himself, which is probably what leads to his depression and nihilism honestly (big mood).

Unfortunately, Qin Che shares a lot of elements with Evan as well, like red eyes that glow brighter when they use their powers of energy manipulation and mind control, datura flowers, Charon (and Pluto) reference, vampire imagery, underground bosses (the Blood Clan has connections to the mafia), and if players get what they want for Qin Che with a fallen angel (and Christianity) theme then that also echoes Evan and the Blood Clan. QC and Charlie mains clash more often, but QC and Evan mains clashed hard in the first year and none of them have forgotten LOL.

gotten bitched at by Love and Deepspace players

 that SXH mains gravitate towards Osborn, but to be honest I heavily disagree with this grouping, haha. I can see where you're coming from with my descriptions, but the survival and ultimately upholding his principles is more about overcoming persecution from society. Osborn would be more like Qin Che in the sense of people considering them to be monsters and, if Osborn didn't learn to calm himself down, he could have become a school shooter (he had the urge to take revenge against the world). He was canonically given the deadly sin of wrath.

Osborn's respect for people's freedom of choice encompasses things we would normally view as bad too. For example, Osborn once had a performance race and, during the race, two racers from one team ganged up on him to block him and do risky passes. It was unfair because it went from being a one-on-one race to everyone targeting Osborn to create "suspense" and generate excitement and discussion because of Osborn's reputation as a 5-time champion getting his skills questioned by the media after a bad qualifying. The heroine was rightfully angry at these behind-the-scenes manipulations, but Osborn was completely neutral because he understood the business considerations behind this and would choose to do the same thing if he was them. So, as long as people aren't being directly killed or harmed, he acknowledges that everyone lives in their own way.

Lastly, as you said, I see SXH's freedom to be tied directly to the past restrictions he had as the crown prince, which is more like the freedom expressed by Bai Qi, Lu Jinghe, and Charlie. You feel their yearning and celebrate their freedom when they break free from what confines them. However, Osborn's freedom theme is the opposite where he has absolutely no ties to the world but 

"... it’s precisely because there’s nostalgia and attachments that a long journey becomes a trip. Otherwise it can only be called 'wandering'."

 Osborn intentionally exchanges some of his freedom to become connected to the world through attachments.

Haha, it's all good, I talk just as much LOL. You can chat with me in whatever way you feel comfortable with!

hello again ili, i hope you don't mind me keeping the conversation going on that LN LIs rec that somehow turns into a discussion of LIs? LMAOO not rare animal sighting😭 i burst out laughing in the middle of my work hours because of you. but i kind of agree in a way, the way you worded things and the way your brain thinks never failed to amaze me HAHAH. anyway, my curiosity is very deeply piqued reading your thoughts on sxh being the outlier with yx and lc. to be honest, he is my first li before i know of yx and lc. to note, i am a lnd player and i do hope i don't give you the ick(?) with how bad ladstwt reputation is by behaving like a plague in otome fandom spaces (i grow increasingly embarassed being associated with them day by day as i hate and never participated in the drama since i'm only here to discuss stories and drool over the lis hahah). moving on, the reason why sxh pulls me in is because i just love quiet, calm, patient, gentle, and soft-spoken men that can ground me when i'm in the verge of breaking because i'm quite a short-tempered, fast-paced, impatient, and perfectionist. i realized that i needed their calmness to influence me in a way that can slow myself down and just enjoy the little things in everyday life. also with those traits, maturity consequently becomes one of their traits that i really appreciate as i wouldn't mind them taking the lead sometimes. moving on to yx and lc, i was actually first and foremost a yx main. the first time he appears in the main story, i was immediately intrigued by him with the patience and calmness he gives off to the surroundings. then, i came to know of his layers and depth through the "questionable" actions he did that are almost cruel in a way, which comes from a very complicated back story of his. what finally seals the deal for me is him being some kind of the same "being" as the heroine which supports my love for the equal partners trope (which i also believe sxh has going on with his heroine. some surface level observation of mine being both having the same profession as hunters, their continuous depiction of being back to back in combat, and also them being symbolized as binary stars). with lc, i came to main him after reading the first world main story. he started as a soft spot that gradually turns into being one of my mains which came from seeing his actions in the main story, whether the common route one, his personal route, or the other lis routes. in every route, he is always very selfless and caring, also borderline self-sacrificial if that counts hahah. what attracts me to him is the kindness of his heart, his compassion, and his strong determination. i'm sorry for the sudden long explanations of my reasons on why i love them😭 i hope that can give you a clearer understanding of my mains combination! now back to evan hahah. what do you mean by the crazy amount of mental activity he has? is this about the depressed state he is in? also, qc and evan mains having beef with each other? wow i just came to know this, as what i knew was the charlie and qc mains beef because of qc mains accusing charlie of copying him (a simple google search would have been obvious who "copied" who with one being released way earlier). your description of charlie does remind me so much of lx with the dorkiness hahah. i think charlie will occupy my soft spot like lx did, they are like a breath of fresh air. i can't wait to read that hot air balloon and sleeping on the ground scenes hahah. hmm regarding osborn, the way you describe him somehow reminds me so much of sxh? what i mean by that are these lines specifically: "someone who can survive anywhere and come out "untouched" in the sense that he has strong principles and will never go against them...He paradoxically understands the greyness of the world and respects everyone's freedom of choice but he has a very black and white view for himself...and yet he still chooses the light every time and has reconciled things with himself and with the world". the parallels i'm seeing with sxh are his strong principles to not wanting to sacrifice anyone (not just the heroine) for the sake of his planet (or galaxy) even if that means it has to die, with him constantly growing weaker as the days go by. and then there is the matter with the backtrackers. as their captain, after their unexpected false landing on earth, he respects whatever choices his subordinates choose, even if they decided to leave him and their initial mission, leaving him as the only one actively carrying the mission on his own. OH and one of sxh cores are also associated with freedom in regards of the restrictions put on him during his crown prince day that leads to him being much more carefree in the current timeline. look at those word vomits... i hope you don't grow tired of reading these. i love having these types of discussions and reading your thoughtful responses. i do hope one day we can discuss more freely in dm instead heheh. thank you for the response ili! 

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